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Do you have to forgive to heal?

Almost every counselor, clergyman and self help guru seems to have an opinion about forgiveness, and most of those opinions have the same core message: You need to forgive for yourself, not the other person. Forgiveness is the only way to let go of the negative feelings that are eating you up inside, that he may not even be aware of. If you don't forgive you are doomed to be bitter and blaming forever. You need to forgive in order to move on.


The problem is that we're taught we must forgive in order to heal, to stop carrying around all that anger and hatred. But how is that possible? The very definition of forgiveness means you 're supposed to stop being angry about something you have every right to be angry about. In order to do that you have to twist yourself and your emotions into a pretzel, or admit you've failed at yet another aspect of your marriage—your divorce. That's just more guilt being pushed on you, as if you didn't feel enough guilt.  I personally don't feel like forgiving my cheating ex unless he sincerely expresses remorse--which he hasn't done and probably never will. 


I contend that you don't have to forgive unless you feel like it, or unless your ex has made amends. You will not necessarily suffer if you don't forgive. Forgiveness is not the only way to heal from hurt, betrayal, emotional or physical abuse. You will move on anyway because unless you hang on to your hurts, nursing them with more and more attention, they will naturally fade with time. Forgiveness may, or may not, have anything to do with moving on. We are human, our wounds heal, hurts of the past recede into the past and the pain they caused lessens over the years. Just like any other kind of grief, the pain caused by betrayal or abuse fades whether or not we forgive our exes Forgiveness often happens organically, after enough time has passed. 


Do you agree? 



by EricaManfred 
Posted on 4/29/2008 7:01 PM    
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I like "accept" as well.  That really works for me.  One of the biggest hurdles we face when we are treated shabbily by someone who we thought we could trust is accepting that this actually happened.   I seesawed between rage and denial.  "How could he do this to me?"  Once you accept that he DID do this to you, that he is not who you thought he was, that your first priority is to take care of yourself and your kids, things start to improve.  People pressuring you to "forgive" when you're in the middle of hell is unkind to say the least.  Maybe you'll "forgive" five years from now or twenty years from now, maybe never, but now you simply have to accept the reality of your situation, as a friend of mine once put it.  That phrase, "accept the reality of your situation, Erica" was extremely helpful to me.  I kept repeating to myself and it always helped.

  by EricaManfred
Posted on 5/2/2008 11:47 AM

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I am currently going thru this myself.  My ex (our divorce was finalized March, 2008) cheated on me and has no remorse, even said he has done nothing wrong or anything to feel guilty about.  Whatever!!  I am in a support group now and I do realize that I need to let go of the bitterness and anger because if I don't that will eat me up inside and cause more problems with my health later on down the line.  I agree you need to let go of the anger and bitterness, but the forgiveness thing, I was told I need to do this, but I'm sorry--how do you forgive someone who broke up your marriage and family without no remorse and broke up another marriage and family and not think twice?!  How do you forgive someone who says they care about their kids and then they turn around and tell their kids if there comes a day when you don't want to come and visit me I won't make you come--basically tell them I don't want you!  How do you forgive someone who has obviously chosen a tramp over their own kids?!!  I could go on and on, but my point is forgiveness should be left up to the individual.  I have been told by several people that I need to forgive--but have they ever been thru this before and if not how would they react if they did go thru this?!  I know in due time I will learn to "deal" with him when I have to.  But right now I'm not ready to forgive and I'm not sure if I will ever be ready, because he has caused alot of hurt not only to me but to my boys to.  I definitely know that he's in denial about the whole thing because he stated to me I did this to you not to the boys--bullcrap--you did this to me and to our family!  I do hope that karma comes back and bites him on the butt big time and his tramp to, they both deserve it!!  Forgiveness needs to be left up to you, but don't let negative thoughts take over your life!!  Believe me I'm trying not to let this happen to me, some days are better than others...

  by freedom
Posted on 5/1/2008 10:25 PM

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you know what - I'm not big on the word forgiveness. Now I'm not a grudge holder by any means - but there are some situations that forgiveness just plain out and out can not or will not ever apply.

I like the word "accept"

Once you accept a person for who they are, even if it accepting that they are cheating, lying, selfish, sloppy, irresponsible, disgusting, asswipe, the better you are going to feel about yourself and the situation you are in & the easier it will be to get through everything and move on.

maybe it is due to my profession, being an attorney I have to deal with decent people right down to scum, and I have to treat each of them with an equal amount of respect - and for some of em (like the one I journaled about) it's hard to accpet them for who they are - but it gets me through the case.

  by spaznskitz
Posted on 4/30/2008 11:29 PM

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Trisha, thanks for that list.  It's helpful.  I want to know why we have to bend ourselves into a pretzel to "forgive" when it's not appropriate, we're not ready to do it because the ex has done unforgivable things and/or is still trying to do us in.  There have to be other ways to deal with the anger and pain.  Forgiveness is wonderful, when it's organic, not when you agonize about it and feel you "should" do it.  Forgiveness just doesn't cut it sometimes.   There's a book that helped me:  The Myth of Forgiveness by Gary Egeberg.   I think it's available on Amazon.  I rememer my relationship with my  mother.  I was very angry at her for many years for being pretty mean to me during my childhood--not abusive, just hypercritical, judgemental,  controlling, not nurturing.  I tried to get her to apologize but she didn't want to hear about it.  However, as time passed I realized that despite her failures as a mother she loved me, she had always been there when I needed her, she did the best she could but she was limited by her own past and it was time to forgive.  I was lucky enough to heal that relationship before she died.  That's my forgiveness model.

  by EricaManfred
Posted on 4/30/2008 2:47 PM

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I have read some of your other post and we are the same age. I got my divorce in Dec-07.
I just spent one whole day looking for the book that had definitions for what is not forgiveness. I had loaned it to a friend. I find that I was trying to do some things that are not a requirement for forgiveness. Forgiveness does not compromise the following acts:

1- Refusing to acknowledge the legitimate pain you have felt.

2- Trying to act like friends with the person who has done wrong. ( I tried that; didn't work)

3- Not allowing yourself to feel legitimate anger. ( not all the little every day things:  but the big relationship destroying things)

4-Allowing others to continue to disrespect your needs and boundaries.

5-Accepting behavior that is clearly wrong and inappropriate

6-Pretending as if nothing ever happened and telling the wrongdoer the past is irrelevant.

7- Ignoring the ill efffects of past wrongs that continue to influence current events.

The last one is a biggie for me. How can you forgive someone when they are still causing huge problems in your life and you are  trying to move forward? I mean huge life changing events like trying to keep you from your Cobra health insurance that they will not be paying for. Those vindictive things that are just wrong and mean spirited.
I think forgiveness means  different things for each stage of your life and your own personal situation.

I know I could easily forgive my ex because I am just that kind of person. And I do wish him happiness in his new relationship. He will never acknowledge any of the horribly wrong things he has done with his life and that's o k. It's his life not mine. Just pay me my money I earned for 33 years of taking care of him and get out of my life for now so I can work on myself. Forgiveness takes time and that is also different for each person. 
I hope you found this helpful; I did.
 




  by trisha9054
Posted on 4/30/2008 1:55 PM

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There is something I bet none of you know about forgiveness.  Only in Christianity are you expected to forgive whether or not the offender has made amends.  I am Jewish and my rabbi explained to me that in both Judaism and Islam you do not have to forgive unless the offender has asked for forgiveness, three times in fact.  At Yom Kippur, the Jewish holiday where you atone for your sins, the offender is expected to express remorse.  Only then do you have to forgive.  I think there's a lot of confusion about forgiveness.  For instance, amiready says "it doesn't mean you are letting them off the hook, you are empowering yourself to heal."  OK, but why can't you empower yourself to heal and not forgive unless remorse is sincerely expressed.   Otherwise it feels like you are fooling yourself, or betraying yourself.  The anger and pain has lessened enormously for me because time has passed and I have done a lot of work on myself, but I am still dealing with my ex because of my daughter and the offense is still going on because he badmouths me to her.  It is not possible for me to forgive now and my rabbi agrees.  Forgiveness, if it ever happens will have to wait until she grows up and I no longer have to interact with him.  But I have done a lot of healing nonetheless.  I once asked my cousin who was going through a nasty divorce if you ever get over it.  She said, no, but you do get past it.  I feel I'm getting past the pain with the healing power of time.  But forgiveness ain't gonna happen--at least not now.  And I refuse to pretend.  My rabbi also says there is one person you do have to forgive:  yourself.  I work on that every day.

  by EricaManfred
Posted on 4/30/2008 12:31 PM

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You have to forgive, otherwise, you will stay stuck in a negative mental mindset.  However, it does not mean you have to forget and learn.   It will feel weird at first.  I am still in a very dysfunctional 30 year marriage, and you have given me some great advice.  Over the past year, I have done a great deal of emotional healing over this dysfunction.  And yes, I have done a lot of forgiving.  For me, it was empowering and enlightening.  I realized that I was keeping myself "stuck in victim mode" and the only way out was forgiveness.  It didn't come easy.  Learning how was very hard, but once I found my way to do it, my heat started becoming light and at peace.  I do a lot of reading.  My resentment still keeps creeping into my thoughts, but once I start feeling my stomach tighten up into knots, I know I must immediately find my way out of it....read, walk, listen to music, write, whatever it takes.  And do all the forgiving for you, and no one else.  To forgive someone does not mean you are letting them off the hook, it simply means you are empowering yourself to heal.

  by amiready
Posted on 4/30/2008 5:53 AM

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