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Alimony citizen & non-citizen


I am Canadian and my wife of 12 years is Japanese, with Canadian residency (not a Canadian citizen). If we divorce will any sort of alimony come into play seeing how she is not Canadian and would return to Japan. I only ask because the Japanese laws & international politics are pretty surprising in certain ways. For example, if she took our child back to Japan there is NOTHING I can do about it legally or otherwise (in Canada or in Japan) about getting him/her back etc. The kid is GONE!!  So... just wondering if that same style of political one-sidedness extends to divorce issues such as alimony? Too often one realizes too late that they have been taken on a serious ride!




Thanks. 

by Phantasmagoria   4 Posts 
Posted on 11/3/2009 4:27 PM
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Clarification.... the whole "child" thing was just an example to illustrate the difference between Canada & Japan on marriage  related issues / problems / politics. We have no child.
And as for supporting herself after divorce.... she's never supported herself once in her life. She's totally a "parent's" girl, and would just go back to them and they would gladly support her as they did before I took over. 
And as for "recovering".... I dunno. I get osteo arthritis she shrugs her shoulders and says.. "Oh God.. what's NEXT?". But when our cat gets caught in the rain, shes screaming "Oh MY GOD" and runs with towels in hand to dry him off. "Are you alright Boo-Boo?"  At least if Boo Boo gets arthritis he wont have to worry about neglect, lack of support,  of being deemed inferior. LOL.
by Phantasmagoria   4 Posts
Posted on 11/5/2009 8:09 AM
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Let me explain something -

it isn't that the laws "favor" Japanese citizens - that is far from the truth. Japan, unlike other foreign countries, refuses to work hand in hand with other countries on such matters as international kidnapping. So let's not bash, Canada here on this - it is out of Canada's control. If your government could, they would certainly push for a more proactive and cooperative situation.

On a side note however, if she does take the child to Japan, there are private organizations that will step in and help you get your child back.

Onto your question, due to the fact that Japan refuses to wrok with any other country, they also won't be helpful in asserting any alimony judgement placed against you if she is awarded it - however it doesn't stop her from keeping a canadian bank account, having it direct depisited into that account and utilizing the canadian courts to ensure she is paid. 

I don't think you have been "taken for a ride" in the sense that you are coming across as, I think you are dealing with cultural differences that you need to find a middle ground on. No, you don't have to put up with being insulted - but have you considered marriage counseling, for the sake of your child, before divorce?
by spaznskitz   7745 Posts
Posted on 11/4/2009 7:38 PM
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Regardless, she isn't cheating on you or hitting you. She's your wife. You owe her enough consideration to support her until she can take care of herself. 
The divorce is your idea, according to what you have said, and she's not in her own country. It will take her some time to recover.
by bluebird   1157 Posts
Posted on 11/4/2009 3:58 PM
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Let's put this into perspective... it all started after we returnedto Canada, and has little to do with me. Read and try to believe!!!In the past two-and-a-half years I have had some minor physical issues that slowly began to reveal things abouther character I never knew. My issues began two years ago in Japan,with a knee injury from aerobics (a wear & tear injury), which was followed, though unrelated to,various bouts of left and right forearm "tennis elbow", whichif you have ever had it, REALLY limits arm use. All of these problemsare a result of my physical activity (gym), work (typing), andhobbies like art (hand / arm use too). She has always "needled"me about these things, saying I am "frail & weak" genetically. Thenlast week, my knee issue (which I have dealt with for more than 2 years), was diagnosed as early "osteo arthiritis". Well... she flipped... and ratherthan offer sympathy or support, she labeled me as being genticallyinferior again... LITERALLY saying how SHE doesn't have theseproblems, her mother doesn't have these problems and how hermother is going to go off the rails when she hears her daughter'sWhite husband has physical issues in his late 40s - as minor as they are (I no longer have tennis elbow!). You see... myJapanese wife has this "Japanese superiority" complex (over Cthat she is not shy about voicing. It's the old concept of measuring peopleon their physical ability (or lack of) rather than character. I mean, I deal with my problems - never complained - fight'em and fightthrough them. But that doesn't matter... as I am (in her eyesand words) genetically frail. Even my mother told my wifehow are family as arthritis in it but that is it - no other problems like cancer, heart disease, blood pressure, etc etc NOTHING! She doesn't care.So... bottom line... I do not believe that my wife is emotionally or mentally equppied to deal with "aging". I DREAD the thought (knowing what i now knows about her thinking) of beingwith her in the twilight years
by Phantasmagoria   4 Posts
Posted on 11/4/2009 11:15 AM
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Why do you want a divorce?
If you were married for 12 years, at some point you loved her. I don't know the whole story, but from what you've said, you moved her 8000 miles from home and then decided to dump her when she was far removed from her support system, even though living in her country was what you wanted to do for 11 years. If you are expecting to pay alimony, I'd guess this means she doesn't have a job, likely since she's not a Canadian citizen, or you make a lot more than she does. After 12 years you owe her enough to get her on her feet. Please let me know if something is missing.


by bluebird   1157 Posts
Posted on 11/4/2009 9:33 AM
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OKay... whoah sister. Firstly, we lived in Japan (her country) for 95% of our marriage, and only arrived in Canada less than a year ago, so there's no "brought to a strange land" issue especially since she lived in Canada for a year (on a VISA)  prior to our marriage as well. 
Regardless... the question is simple... does the book which has the same one-sided law that favors Japanese citizens on child custody (ie legal kidnapping), also have a pageoutlining an equally goofy, one-sided law on paying alimony? So unless you've been through an international marriage or know something of its laws, I don't think this question pertains to you, cookie.



by Phantasmagoria   4 Posts
Posted on 11/4/2009 7:06 AM
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ps 12 years?

12 years?

thats about 10 years longer than  US marriages last

STILL not clear how youre a "victim" in all this?
by smartcookie36   200 Posts
Posted on 11/3/2009 11:15 PM
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yeah

with all due respect SOME people realise they have been brought to a new country with no money, no friends, no family, no NOTHING..... and then get *****screeeeewed******

thats a political one-sidedness.... are you in your own country? do you know the law? do you know people? do you earn? do you have family?

please... i am biased, i admit, but dont please tell me that you are a victim when YOU chose this relationship and will *never* *ever* be the true victim of the situation
by smartcookie36   200 Posts
Posted on 11/3/2009 10:59 PM
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