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I 'm so confused 

The stbx IM'd me last night from out of town. Is the girlfriend not spending enough time online with him? Is he bored? Am I just a way to fill in some time for him? Does he miss me now that he isn't seeing her everyday at work? We IM'd for about 45 minutes and then spent about another hour on the phone together. I cried, I begged him (even though I said I never would again) to consider saving us. I begged him not to let her ruin him even if he decides he doesn't want to be with me. We actually talked some, like we haven't in at least the last 3 years of our marriage. He apologizes alot but that doesn't mean a whole lot when I still hurt and he still does things to hurt me, even if he doesn't mean to. Why does he continue to reach out to me if what we had is not worth saving? Why can't I just let him go and not keep trying to save it? I know better, I really do but can't seem to stop myself. Why do I care if she ruins him? Shouldn't I be like, "he will get whatever he deserves". Sometimes I do feel that way, but deep down where it really matters, I do not want to see him fail. Why would I continue to ask him to not let us go when I feel that deep down, he will never put in the effort needed? I wish I knew. I wish I could just stop doing this to myself. I wish I didn't take every little sign as hope that he regrets what he has done. Why can't I keep that resolve there to just let him go on about his life and I just worry about mine? Maybe it was my upbringing that you just don't get divorced. Sometimes I feel like the 6 month waiting period for the divorce is dragging by and at others I feel like it is flying by way too quickly. I miss my best friend. That man has been my best friend for the last 19 years. That man, other than what he has done to me now, has always been an honorable man with integrity. That is why this all blows me away. If he had always been a jackass then it would be easier, I think. I only want the chance to go to counseling and see if it really has to be over. I have a cold and don't feel well so I know that has weakened my defenses. I just wish I could keep all of this straight and set a path and stick to it. I hate being wishy washy. He says he listens to everything I say. He says he will think about things while he is out there. He says that after he gets back and then I later get back from school, we will sit down and talk. I told him that if she dumps him, I will always feel second best if he comes back to try then. I told him it would mean more to me if I saw it was him making the decision to walk away from her to try. Does that make sense? Help. I just need to get my head back on straight.
by militaryp  2952 Posts 

Posted on 12/3/2008 6:30 AM
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I've had the same feelings you're having, same thoughts, same conversations with my husband.  And truthfully, I could do all of it all over again at some point.  I hate to admit that I still care about him after all he's put us through, but like you said, before this happened, he was a man of integrity.  Not a wife beater, drunk, no good slob who didn't work.  It's very hard to let go and move on when our thoughts are ruled sometimes by our emotions.  It's not like you can turn feelings on and off like a faucet.  But I believe there will come a day when I realize that I have nothing in common with him other than our son, and no longer care about what he does with his life.   I'd like to think my moral compass points a little straighter than his these days. 

That being said, you've put your cards on the table.  Talk with him when you both are back and see how you feel then.  Perhaps you won't look at this as something you want to work on.  Give your head the opportunity to think this out without letting your heart rule.
by Kitty7470   2621 Posts
Posted on 12/3/2008 5:20 PM
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"..." - I read your words and felt the pain... Just try not to allow this type of access into your life by someone that will not and is not there for you any longer in any remote way... The man you knew is gone and the only way for you to realize this is to go forward with the woman that you are becoming through the pain and long list of lessons... Take care...
by bp   1239 Posts
Posted on 12/3/2008 3:35 PM
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MillyP,

I'm sorry he did that, but I want you to know that it's ok that you didn't maintain the boundaries you had in place.  It's ok that you cried and begged--a marriage is worth crying and begging over.  You were given another opportunity to advocate for your marriage, and taking that opportunity was a good decision even though it was a shot in the dark.

Don't take this as a sign that you are being wishy-washy.  You're not.  You are resolutely going about the business of healing yourself.  Wishing your husband would give counseling a chance to make sure this marriage has to be over is no sign of double-mindeness.  You are very single-minded--you want to heal and you want to see if your marriage can be healed.

I'll suggest that you not give these events another thought.  Drive them far from your mind and heart.  You and he will have a conversation when he gets back, and it'll cover the usual terrain.

 

You put your heart out there--which is admirable--and you'll do it again--which is also admirable--but now care for your heart by ruthlessly rooting out hope.  Pray for a miracle, but don't hope for one.

 

--lenn

by lenn   2653 Posts
Posted on 12/3/2008 9:03 AM
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Milly, I wish I had such advice as BlueB, world's least sarcastic policeman.  I just try to be encouraging and upbeat and hope it's better than nothing.

What really strikes me though is your level-headedness.  You recognize that your husband is overall a good man who has done something bad, rather than a total jackass.  Like Blue says that makes it even harder -- the reason for some of the hatred bewteen ex-spouses is that it's much easier just to hate someone than to ponder why the universe is so f'd up.

I think you ae absolutely right about the OW.  If she dumps him and he tries to come back to you, you will need to muster all of your strength to say NO to that, because at that point it will be way too late.

Knowing things and acting on them are very different kettles of fish...

good luck to you as always......
by childless   534 Posts
Posted on 12/3/2008 7:53 AM
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Here are my 2 cents, you are the better person and still care.  He has used you and cheated on you and you have a caring heart and want to be able to forgive.  I was there too.  I tried for 5 years and you know what happened to me.  I found out about more lies and stabs in the back.  Now you can hold your head high as the person in the right.  I would talk to the post chaplain or find someone else to talk to at the hosp.  From my standpoint it looks like psychological abuse.  He's using you like a YoYo.  Please don't let him.  You are far too worthy a person to let him do that to you.
by DJPO   599 Posts
Posted on 12/3/2008 7:44 AM
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You know, sometimes I think a situation where both parties don't absolutely hate the other's guts are more hell than when they do.  Your stbx doesn't hate you, but clearly doesn't love you and doesn't want to be with you anymore.  You still love him and want him back.  And, like pure pointed out, you've spent so much time together, that you are both familiar with eachother, he will reach out to you on occasion.  Kind of reminds me of that scene in Talledaga Nights when, after stealing Ricky's wife, house, and all his belongings, Cal calls Ricky in the middle of the night to just chat...like nothing ever happened and they're still best friends!

My stbx and I are like that...we don't hate eachother, and we still kind of talk like we did when we were married...she still complains about work, or tells me in gross detail of a dream she had, or just fills me in on the latest with her family goings on.  I still crack jokes and make comments here and there about a tv show we're watching.  The only difference is that I know it's over...once we sell the house and move on, we don't have to talk to eachother again...and we likely won't.

Your head knows that it's over, but your heart is slow to follow.  I wish I had some great, wise words for you in unlocking that secret to getting your heart on the same page as your head.  All you can do is keep reminding yourself that when you're talking to him, that the emotions aren't real...there is no chance that you're getting back together.  It's a mirage in the desert...it isn't real.  Your marriage is dead, but it's really worse than death...it's undeath...Dracula...but instead of blood, it's sucking your life out of you.  You need to drive a steak through it's heart...start wearing garlic clove necklaces...what the hell, vampires are in these days...you'll be cool and hip ;)

Eventually, you will be okay and your heart will catch up with your head.  You will move on!  You can do this.  Good luck my friend!!!
by BlueB   2982 Posts
Posted on 12/3/2008 7:40 AM
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Fear of the unknown and different make me want my ex back, sometimes.  I will always care about him, but he has hurt me so deeply (how could someone you are with for so long -23 yrs- do that to you!?), I know I would never be able to trust him again...what kind of life is that to live?  If one of my girlfriends betrayed me in some fashion, I'm not sure if I could continue the friendship.....that being said, The one person I thought I could count on in the whole world crushed me.....forgiveness and reconcilliation couldn't even be an option at this point.
by angielou   1564 Posts
Posted on 12/3/2008 7:23 AM
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Mine still calls and writes occassionally. Everything pure said applies to my ex. Mine never wanted the divorce even though he had married someone else.

He trusted me with our finances even while divorcing. I had court ordered control of all his money until the final decree because he trusted me implicitly.

At the same time I couldn't trust him at all. We were married so long that as much as I might like he can never be erased from my life. But that will never mean I don't have to watch my back with him and I will never trust him again about anything. Everything that comes out of his mouth I now know is a lie.

Think hard about what you want and then follow thru on that decision.
by trisha9054   4967 Posts
Posted on 12/3/2008 7:12 AM
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Unfortunately, you are familiar to him.  That's why he calls you. 

Even my ex wanted to 'stay married.'  But really it was because he wanted me to continue taking care of things.  It wasn't because he really wanted to be married.  But my ex did trust me with money.  (go figure.) 

It also makes sense that you would want to be with him.  You love him.  Will you ever be able to trust him?  Would you really want to feel second best? 

What do you really need?
by purebredinip   1194 Posts
Posted on 12/3/2008 7:00 AM
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