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you keep breaking it and i'll keep fixing it.  

just had another annoying email exchange with loser ex. 

 

today my kids are performing in the school holiday show.  he said he was coming and that he would like to take them out after the show.  he said he would do dinner etc and bring them home later.   

 

fine. good.  

 

so logistics are worked out. i'll return to work after the show and work extra hours to make up for the time and my parents will not pick the kids up after school and get a much needed break. 

 

i even start romanticising (because this is considered exciting for single parents), how i won't have to make dinner tonight.  one night out of thousands, i won't have to scurry around making dinner before i do all the other stuff...  

 

you know the nightly routine....make dinner before bath, books, homework, play, bedtime, cleaning, preparing 2 lunches for the next day and 2 bags of snacks and checking all the hundreds of pieces of paper that get sent home from school..and writing the endless checks for tuition, and gymnastics and book fairs and fundraisers....  

 

so, he emails me just now and says that he can't take them to dinner after all.  he emails now. at noon.  giving me exactly two hours to make alternative plans with work and my parents.   

 

and this is how it always is.  we all jump at his commands. why? because we want him to see his kids and have a relationship with him and we don't want to make it hard for him to do that. 

 

but for four years this exact scene has played out over and over and over again and i am totally exhausted by it.  

 

he will never be a real father. and i seem to be unable to learn.  i've been told, countless times, to give up and stop expecting he will change. i've been told to stop making it so easy on him.  but do i listen?  yes. i do.  i do listen and it sounds good because it is good. but i don't do it.  i hear it, get it, agree with it...but then fail to make it a reality.   

 

here's a part of our email exchange:  

 

me: (after he announced he can't take them to dinner)  "i made arrangements with my parents for this.  they are not picking up the kids after school.  i was going to work late to make up for the time i'll be out for the show.  you do this all the time.  at the very last minute you suddenly have to change the plans.  this is a constant and it's annoying that you don't even consider how many people have to jump thru hoops for you. if you can't take them to dinner, then it's a problem. my parents will need to pick them up after school now and take them home."  

 

him: "You didn't tell me you were planning to work late -- a failure to communicate on your part. And your solution is to call in your parents to pick the kids up from school, stripping them of time with their father and saddling your parents with more work..."  

 

(insert me going grrrrrrrrrrr here).  

 

the last email ended with me saying this: "never mind.  just keep doing what you do and i'll keep fixing it."

 

so, what to do, what to do?   it's easy to say 'well, forget it...you snooze, you lose...kids are going home with my parents...see ya".   but single parents will understand when i say.....we (me/my parents) could use one lousy night for a break.   right? wrong?  

 

so basically, all these years i have allowed this sort of manipulation for two reasons: 1. because i really do want my kids to have some sort of relationship with him and 2. i need whatever small breaks i can get my hands on.  

 

am i not buckling down and fighting him because of the first reason...or the second?   if i'm going to be honest, it's the second.  

 

i want a break.  

 

i need a break.  

 

i deserve a break.  

 

so. here's how this can play out today. i can fight back and he will not see the kids at all.  my parents will resume pick up duty. i will not work late (and deal with my boss giving me mean eyes) and life will be just a regular day.  or i can relent and have my parents meet him at my house whenever he feels like dropping them off and be his little pawns yet again.  

 

what to do........?

by paula1  12662 Posts 

Posted on 12/11/2008 11:21 AM
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why do all exes think that failure to explain your entire life plan to them is failure to communicate on your part.  I have this conversation often "****** you are forty minutes late, I had stuff to do"  him: "well you didn't tell me that you had anything to do or I would be there."  If we have plans its our own business, we dont' have to tell them.  it makes you wish really bad that you could say well I can't pick them up today and neither can anyone else so you'll have to find a way...but he wouldn't.  He would leave them there because it will "teach you a lesson."  How dare you not let him know you planned to work late.  ugh...hate it.
by candice   16 Posts
Posted on 4/4/2009 12:54 PM
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The only problem with your answer betabear is that she doesnt get child support to begin with. Now what? He doesnt even work.

Ive had to deal with it too until my ex left the state and didnt see them at all. You take your breaks where you can. What ever is easier for you to deal with, do it. My ex never showed up when he was supposed to and i got real tired of the excuses. Unfortunately, its something that you will always have to deal with and it never gets easier. Your kids are young, which makes it tougher. I stopped making excuses for their father and let them come to their own conclusions as the kids got older.  It will get alot easier when the kids are more independent but sometimes that seems like an eternity. 

 

Let your parents meet him at your house.

by Lori-Woodall   923 Posts
Posted on 12/19/2008 11:46 PM
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I understand this as my mom helped throughout the years while I was single parenting.

As far as the response from rickym - I believe it is each parents responsibility (especially if communication is difficult) to contact the school and find out when special events, plays, programs, and concerts are being held. Every school has a website and calendar listing what is taking place. Even if they have school or are on vacation. No excuses there. I will send a note his way.

He obviously does not communicate well with you and backs out at last minute. I guess the best you can do is continue life as if he will never follow through and don't count on him. The children will know the difference. It is his responsiblity to spend time with them and as a good father attend their events and follow through with what he says. He should be able to find out on his own as I indicated in the response re: rickym. He made the choice not to spend life with you and therefore because of this choice to become independent of you can be responsible all on his own for his childrens sake. You are not his mother or his partner in life anymore and you don't have to hang out together at the functions for the kids. He needs to attend for the kids but the two of you are a separate issue.

I like what Trisha wrote and believe that is your case too. 

You only have control of you and will never be able to keep up with monitoring him and if he will actually follow through. 

Be strong for you and your children.  

by lgoodgal   1036 Posts
Posted on 12/18/2008 10:15 AM
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Hey Paula,
you have gotten a pile of great advice here.  So here's my
2 cents.  I was having similar issues with my ex, he was
too busy, no time, inconvienent, cancelling times.  So I took
him back to court.  He now has to pay me $50.00 any time
he is scheduled to take our son and can't do it.  And he
has to pay half for child care when I work.  I have first right
of refusal, so if he calls to ask me to take our son during his time,
(and I want my son fulltime) boom, another $50.00.  I now
have no problems with his cancelling or unavailablity.  Its
amazing what a little pain in the pocket has done to make
him regain his responsibilities. 
by betabear   114 Posts
Posted on 12/12/2008 10:05 PM
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no no no non no. i'm sure you are doing the same thing you did during the marriage. you took care of everything pertaining to the kids. and you are still doing it. it might work better for you if you said to him EVERYTIME arraigments are made that if plans change, he will have to contact everyone to make sure the kids are supervised. Tell him when you will be home and let him deal with it. Do this once, and he will most likely never do it again.
by icanwishonmistar   95 Posts
Posted on 12/12/2008 8:00 PM
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I'm sorry to hear about you ex. He sounds like he doesn't want to be around his kids.

I, myself have no kids, but I'm sure if I had, my stbx would pull the same stunt.

I hope you get a needed break form it all.
Take care,
Linda
by midge628   26 Posts
Posted on 12/11/2008 10:10 PM
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The guy sounds like my stbxw.  Plans? what plans.  I know I said I would but I guess I come first and the kids second.  (This from the mother of the children).  You are doing what needs to be done for you kid's.  Yes it is hard, thankfully you have a supportive family.  I did it for mine, and though I gripe about it, it is something that I cherish in my heart, and no one can take from me, and frankly one of the few things looking back that I would not change about my life.
by Jamesalone   2778 Posts
Posted on 12/11/2008 9:33 PM
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YOU ARE A GREAT MOM! YOU ARE NOT A LOSER!!!!!
You do what is best for your kids! We all break down for the best interest of are children.
by shock3177   338 Posts
Posted on 12/11/2008 9:14 PM
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Like many others here, we have all married either the same man, or his immediate family members.  It's not that we don't want to be with our kids, we just want some well deserved "Me" time, something they have all of the time.  Still, you know that your children know that they can always count on you, and while that does get tiring some days, we are the adults here, the stbx's are some selfish mean kids who think they should have everything they want.

When your stbx calls you on the phone and starts his crap, wait until you are talking (calmly) and just casually hit the end button on your phone.  Then, take it off the hook.  He will think the phone went out.... as no one hangs up when THEY are talking :)
by Kitty7470   2620 Posts
Posted on 12/11/2008 5:44 PM
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i think you should read some of the other comments here...looks like others have figured out the solution to this madness.  i defer to them on how to fix it and make it easier.
by paula1   12662 Posts
Posted on 12/11/2008 3:47 PM
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that sounds like my stbx wife. we have been seperated for 9 months already and I just got my 2 nd weekend with our 3kids  ages 8,5,4.  I would never spend time with the kids eventhough,i begged her to see them. now that i got the temp orders she has no choice.  We just has the x-mas program monday for our  pre-k Tues for 2nd grader. I did go. Not that she envited me, but because our kids did. It was a hard pill to swollow  since this will be the 1st x-mas seperated and seeing her ther across the room. I need to stay strong and stay focuss on our kids and let them know i am there for them.  And yes she expects me to be there., bec and call and i usually jump when our kids need anything. by your stories I guess it does not get easier.
by rickym   72 Posts
Posted on 12/11/2008 3:42 PM
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update - so i caved in.  the show was cute. they had the kids sitting in chairs facing the audience and they would stand and sing or sit at various times.  my son was upfront and center. first seat, first row.

every child stood up to sing. but my son sat there in his chair and hit his head with his leg.  lovely.

anyway, loser ex did show up and while i saved him a seat with my purse, he opted to sit behind me/my parents.  (loser).

then i buckled.  i told my parents i would let him take the kids and meet him later. 

guess i'm the loser now.
by paula1   12662 Posts
Posted on 12/11/2008 3:01 PM
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I have to agree with trisha "I understand you want him in your children's lives. But is he a good role model for them? If he changes plans I would let him lose time with the kids. He's the one doing it not you. "  My son's father would cancel all the time and I would be the one fixing it and the whole time I made him look good in my son's eyes.  My son worshiped his father, and treated me like the hired help.  And that hurt.   It wasn't until I let his father dig his own grave, that I finally got the respect I deserved from my son.  I made promises that I knew I could keep and I always had a back up plan whenever his father made plans, just in case.  It only took a few times and then my son realized that who his dad was and that I was the one that ROCKED!!  He realized that I was the one he could count on.  (It was not easy the first couple of time-I won't lie) but you have to make your ex responsible for his actions.  You can't keep fixing it....It isn't fair to you or your kids.  

 If he makes plans to have them for dinner and then can't- then he needs to call a babysitter- or your parents and make arrangments with them it is his visitation therefore his responsiblity, not yours and he needs to make arrangements to make sure they ate.  Keep a journal- it was the one thing that really helped when my son finally said he didn't want to go to his dad's house.  I had logged everytime his dad called, made plans and then never showed.  Of course he dad didn't remember any of the times and didn't have his own journal to tell why- i wrote his excuses in mine so the judge knew.  My son hasn't been to his dad's all year, and his dad hasn't called him but 2 times all year!  I thought that would be horrible for him- but my son is happier.

I wish you luck in whatever decision you make.


by sueb6771   14 Posts
Posted on 12/11/2008 2:59 PM
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I will simply allude to my prior plans for what should happen to your Ex, and re-visit it in my head for a moment.  Ok it's over, but it felt good, which tells you something bad about me i guess.....
by childless   534 Posts
Posted on 12/11/2008 2:48 PM
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I say you tell him do what you said you were gonna do or do nothing at all.  My way or no way.  He will wonder where your balls came from, and I bet he will start asking to see them more, thinking you are somehow keeping them from him.  He sounds like he will do the opposite of what you want.  So try it and see if he does not come calling for the kids more.  :)
Meridith
by Meridith   40 Posts
Posted on 12/11/2008 2:47 PM
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What I want to know is how we could ALL have been married to the same guy. He sure gets around.

In the end, it doesn't matter what we do -- be a pushover or not give in -- this guy will manipulate it to his advantage each and every time. It's either "Mommy won't let you see me," or Mommy has to change her plans to suit Daddy's. My personal favorite is when he changes his plan at last minute, and if I object with my own plans, we get histrionics as he changes his plan to suit mine and plays the hero/martyr for the kids. Huh? Win-win for him and lose-lose for us. It's just another one of the myriad compromises we make for the benefit of the kids.

I actually had more time for myself when we were still together. At least I wasn't perpetually on call for a forgotten key or missed bus or whatever... now I'm 'on' 24/7 and it is completely exhausting. He's supposed to take them alternating weekends but never equipped his new abode with beds for them. I never know when he'll drop them home so I always have to be on watch lest my teenagers go on the loose. Teens being teens, they live for that opening!
by HeraC   142 Posts
Posted on 12/11/2008 2:26 PM
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MMM sounds like mine too. He just got out of prison in April and has already expected me to jump through hoops in order for him to have time with his son. I have gotten to the point I just hang up on his dumb ass. When he asked me if I could bring our son up once I didn't have any money for gas and he had the nerve to say"What I am supposed to reimburse you every time I want to see my son," and then the classic I will never forget"Why can't you go out and get a job , you're just lazy" I was furious with him on that one. There are several factors as to why I just can't go out and get a job. All of which he doesn't care to want to understand.

When asked to bring him up for his wedding this past summer he also said "I can't help it your jealous" when he didn't like the fact that I couldn't bring our son up again due to finances.

This man does not live in on a place we like to call EARTH.

Oh and just this past weekend he expected me to drop everything and drive an hr and ten min to take him to Wal Mart which is another 40 min drive from where he lives and he also expects me to look into this that and the other for him all the time I am like can't you do a freakin' thing for yourself, and furthermore have your damn wife do this stuff.

Yup I completely relate to this post Paula.

It seems that all the ex's here are in their own little world and they must really like it there. Would be nice if they came to take them away in white jackets LMAO.
by wildheart4vr   14 Posts
Posted on 12/11/2008 2:15 PM
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I'm a member of this club, too.  My ex does the same kind of thing, but with the added fun of not "allowing" me to question or criticize anything he does.  If I do, I'm always being controlling, and he uses the jargon you are told to use with overly-controlling people- "stop right there" or "in your opinion" or "you are abusing me".  This when I simply question him and, btw, I am not a person who uses profanity or anything.    I, too, have had success with always having a back-up plan, and hanging up the minute he starts blaming me.  He HATES that.  Why?  Because he is really the controlling one.  I'm just trying to take care of the kids.!
by musicmom   85 Posts
Posted on 12/11/2008 1:41 PM
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Are you sure we aren't married to the same guy??????  haha.  That happens to me all the time.  I've learned a not to expect him to do what he says and so not to make plans that can't be changed. Is it fair? No. Is it annoying?  yes.  Will we ever be able to have our own lives?  probably not. But you get what he will never have. You get to be the one who your kids can count on. Focus on that for now.   My kids know that I will ALWAYS be at their stuff and I will ALWAYS be available if they need me and, for now, that's going to have to be enough.  What goes around comes around and dad will get his.
by THISwillEnd   117 Posts
Posted on 12/11/2008 12:53 PM
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Paula

Sad point is that you can not count on him. IT SUCKS!! So you have to stop counting on him. I had asked my ex to watch our son a MLK day. He has 5 weeks of vacation and can not spare a day to spend quality time even though I will be taking our son to Florida for two weeks. I guess this what it feels like to be a single parent. My friend told me not to complain because her ex is out of state and she has her kids 24/7.

Shock
by shock3177   338 Posts
Posted on 12/11/2008 12:42 PM
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Paula, I am so sorry, but I know you will be strong and get through this.  One thing I have learned from you is that your children have always come first and again you are going to prove to those beautiful children that MOMMY ROCKS!!!!!  I know and understand your frustration because you thought your night was going to be laid back and no dinner and or dishes to wash but as I always say to my son, "anything for you sweet pea"  Your EX one day will be seen for the real animal he is and it might take some time but that day is there, trust me, as I always say, it takes a special someone to be a father and anyone can be called a daddy.....  Keep your head up and make a plan B, C and D anytime he is scheduled for the kids for reasons as this so that you can get some time that you need, for work and for a hamburger out....  You deserve that....
by Departed   571 Posts
Posted on 12/11/2008 12:36 PM
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Yeah Defusing his Yayas by acting like you dont care. Like a child  - if he doesnt get the reaction he wants   he'll change.  Believe it or not - I use this logic w/ my not yet X.  It does help.
Of course - he sucks LOL - out think him.

That must be how some peeps end up w/ court decided visitation also. When they cant behave.

by freeme   434 Posts
Posted on 12/11/2008 12:30 PM
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WERE YOU MARRIED TO MY STBX?????????????  that was frightening how much he sounds just like mine!!!  WOW!!!!  That is an email I would get....shift the blame.....NEVER take responsibility for ANYTHING......

Now...It's Your fault because you are working late (oh, sure slacking off again)    I could hear my stbx's voice when I read it....

I am still stunned!!!

I worked from 2pm on saturday until 6am sunday morning and he busted my balls all week about "ALL THAT MONEY I MUST HAVE"   WTF....

sorry Paula..it got me going...ofcourse no help to you!

I usually just ignore it...make a comment and hang up in the middle if the lecture.  His idea of a talk is getting on his soapbox and saying how many things i lie and cheat about...and what a shitty mom i am.

f*%k them both...
by 5babemom   366 Posts
Posted on 12/11/2008 12:28 PM
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Paula, Did it ever occur to you that he gets off on doing this to you? Whenever I had to deal with my ex I would always have a back up plan.

I took away the joy he got out of seeing me struggle to rework schedules and telling him how he disrupted my day. I just said "fine, don't worry about. Everything's under control". It took a lot of fun out of his day because I had a plan B to his plan A.

I understand you want him in your children's lives. But is he a good role model for them? If he changes plans I would let him lose time with the kids. He's the one doing it not you.

You work too hard and take very good care of your children to let him add another problem to your day.

by trisha9054   4967 Posts
Posted on 12/11/2008 11:51 AM
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Wow. That got my blood pressure up and I'm not even involved! He's being rediculous. I'm sorry you have to deal with someone like that.
by bear1821   1288 Posts
Posted on 12/11/2008 11:27 AM
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